What part of 'free speech' didn't you understand ? Muslims in Holland file lawsuit to forbid sequel to Theo Van Gogh's film 'Submission'

"Guilty of being Dutch"

"Moslims zijn heel sociaal, als er iets is dan komen ze met 30 man en vragen ze of je een probleem hebt"

"Muslims are very social, if something happens, 30 of them come by to ask if you have a problem"

Comment on website : http://www.pim-fortuyn.nl/pfforum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=30386

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MIM: In 2004Theo van Gogh confronted Islamo facist and Arab European League 'fuhrer' Diab Abou Jah Jah, who refused to debate him and left the podium. Jah's Jah's posse of thugs threatened him. Theo called Jah Jah "a pimp of the Prophet' . His remarks made headlines in Holland and one worried fan posted this comment on Theo's website 'The Healthy Smoker'.http://www.theovangogh.nl/aboujahjah_2.html

Ha Theo,

Doe je wel een beetje voorzichtig met die enge lui?
Tegengas geven is goed, maar ik moet er niet aan denken dat je straks zelf als een Martelaar van het Vrije Woord bloedend op de kasseiën ligt. Dat jij dan in het hiernamaals 72 maagden alle hoeken van het paradijs kunt laten zien is leuk en aardig, maar ik lees liever nog eens een tijdje je columns.

Groet,
Jurriaan

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Hey Theo,

Will you try to be a little more careful with those creepy people? Challenging them is good, but I dont even want to imagine that you could soon be lying bleeding on the cobblestones as a Martyr for Free Speech. That you would be able to show 72 virgins all the corners of paradise is all well and good, but I would prefer being able to read for columns for a long time to come.

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MIM: Now that they can no longer shoot him and slit his throat, some 'Dutch' Muslims have turned to a lawyer to ensure that murdered Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh's film Submission, will not have a sequel, and have filed suit to forbid an as yet nonexistent screenplay!

In an obscenely brazen move, several Dutch Muslims are exploiting the blasphemy laws , claiming that their ' Muslim sensitivities' will be offended by a sequel to the film Submission which could 'hurtful'.

Muslims have also filed suit in Denmark against the Danish broadcasting station which showed the film . An open letter to the Danish lawyer by a Dutch publisher, can be seen at: http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/339

This legal travesty and cynical manipulation of the justice system for censorship by Muslims proves beyond any argument that they must be repealed immediately to prevent them to be able to add "insult to injury' to the Dutch public, whose ‘good will' towards them is beginning to wear as thin as the line between militant and so called ‘moderate' Islamists.

.Apparently both lawyer Moskowicz and the Muslim plaintiffs think that Holland has become part of the Caliphate since they declared' Jihad' with the murder of Van Gogh.

Which begs the question as to if civil suits can be filed in Holland by the family and friends of Theo Van Gogh on his behalf, against the mosques and leaders of the Muslim community for fulminating the hate which lead to his murder, and against those who are filing the suit against the film, in an attempt to deprive Theo van Gogh,post humously, of his right to free speech and of violating his civil rights by murdering him.

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MIM Note : Lawyer Moskowicz is the Dutch equivalent of Jihadophile advocat Stanley Cohen . In 1999 Moskowicz filed a 'frivolous' suit on behalf of Muslims who complained that they did not have enough Imams , and demanded that the residence permit application process be speeded up claiming their religous rights were being violated. The court ruled that the Muslim community was just being treated according to law and that their was ' no limitation of freedom of religion'. (see complete article below):This exchange between the judge and Moskowicz reveals the lawyers true agenda.

Judge: "There is no limitation of freedom of religion to discuss here. Only the demand that the rules be followed"

"If you know that it takes a long time ,then you just have to request the residency permit six months in advance".added the court president A. Van Delden to the TICF.

Lawyer Moskowicz:,"Yes, but it is not always easy to find Imams in Turkey"..

Reaction from the state prosecutor: "That is your problem. You just want to operate with no restrictions, you do not want government involvement. That is not possible."

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Translation by Beila Rabinowitz director MIM

Muslims : Forbid sequel 'Submission'

Lawyer A Moskowicz has filed suit in the name of several Muslim clients who are seeking an injunction against the film Submission by the VVD cabinet member Ayaan Hirsi Ali and the murdered filmmaker Theo van Gogh.

The Muslims also want the judge to forbid Ali from making statements which are are hurtful,distressing, and blasphemous about Islam.

Recently Hirsi Ali announced that she is working on a sequel to Submission.The film by her and Van Gogh was about the abuse of Muslim women. According to Hirsi Ali the next film will be about how the individual is surpressed in Islam.

The lawsuit which is being filed in which the injunction is being requested is expected to be handled by the court in The Hague, said Moskowicz.That was the last known place of residence and address of Hirsi Ali .A date has not yet been set.

Based on the information already provided by Hirsi Ali, and the content of the previous film , there is reason to believe that the sequel to Submission will also contain blasphemous elements and would be ‘hurtful' to Muslims.

The lawyer also pointed to recent statements by Hirsi Ali in which she says several times that Islam is "life threatening" without differentiating between fundamentalist Islam and Islam in general.'

After the murder of Theo Van Gogh Hirsi Ali said she saw a clear connection between the broadcasting of the film "Submission"and the ritual slaughter which according to her,Van Gogh was subjected to .

"Directly after the showing of Submission Part 1 there was a clear indication that someone would take revenge on Van Gogh."she wrote in a statement after the murder of the filmmaker .

In the second part the theme will be how Islam surpresses the individual. With the position of the woman as starting point. And next to that I want to scrap Islamic education. Not burn down the schools ! That is something quite different, said Ali in a a recent interview.

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Moslims: verbiedt vervolg Submission

Advocaat R. Moszkowicz eist namens een aantal islamitische cliënten een verbod op het uitbrengen van een vervolg op de film Submission van VVD-Kamerlid Ayaan Hirsi Ali en de vermoorde filmmaker Theo van Gogh.

Ook willen deze moslims dat de rechter Hirsi Ali verbiedt om zich voortaan nog kwetsend, grievend of godslasterlijk uit te laten over de islam.

Onlangs werd bekend dat de ondergedoken VVD-politica werkt aan een vervolg op Submission. Deze film van haar en Van Gogh ging over de mishandeling van moslimvrouwen. Het thema van het tweede deel van Submission is de manier waarop volgens Hirsi Ali de islam het individu onderdrukt.

Het kort geding waarin het verbod wordt gevraagd, wordt naar verwachting bij de rechtbank in Den Haag behandeld, zegt Moszkowicz. Dat was volgens hem de laatste bekende woon- en verblijfplaats van Hirsi Ali. Een datum is nog niet bekend.

Gezien de toelichting van de VVD-politica op de tweede film verwacht Moszkowicz dat het vervolg van Submission ook godslasterlijke elementen zal bevatten en ,,krenkend" voor moslims zal worden.

Ook wijst de raadsman op recente uitlatingen van Hirsi Ali ,,waarin zij andermaal stelt dat het islamitisme levensgevaarlijk is, nog wel zonder onderscheid te maken tussen fundamentalistisch islamitisme en islamitisme in het algemeen".

Na de moord op Theo van Gogh zei Hirsi Ali dat ze een duidelijk verband ziet tussen het uitzenden van de omstreden film Submission en de ,,rituele slachting" die Van Gogh volgens haar heeft moeten ondergaan.

,,Direct na de uitzending van de film Submission part 1 was er een belangrijke aanwijzing dat iemand wraak zou nemen op Van Gogh", schreef ze in een verklaring na de moord op de filmmaker.

In het tweede deel is het thema dus ,,de manier waarop de islam het individu onderdrukt. Met als uitgangspunt de positie van de vrouw. En daarnaast wil ik nog steeds het islamitisch onderwijs afschaffen. Niet afbranden dus! Dat is heel iets anders", vertelde Hirsi Ali recent in een interview.
Algemeen Dagblad 2/12/04

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Two Muslim families file lawsuit to forbid planned sequel to Submission

Two Islamic families have filed a law suit to prohibit the release of the sequel to the film Submission,from the murdered film maker Theo van Gogh and the cabinet member Hirsi Ali who has been in hiding since the murder .

According to R.Moszkowicz the lawyer for the families, his clients , from Utrecht and Nieuewegein, feel that the sequel will , be repeated and be unnecessarily upsetting and hurtful and above all blasphemously " give opinions about Islam. On Monday Hirsi Ali told the paper that she is working on a sequel to Submission. Part one was about the abuse of women in Islam.

The families are also demanding that Ali should refrain in the future from making unfriendly statements about Islam. With the lawsuit Moskowicz is hoping that "she is made to keep her mouth shut". The families will, according to the lawyer, with this "peace means" fight against insults to their religion.

A former professor of media law, G.Shuijt , a specialist in illegal publications, termed the lawsuit so hopeless that he has no right to do it on his clients." The constitution does not have any censorship prohibition.You can only forbid a publication if the contents are known, said Schuijt.

The Lower House member Oplaat (VVD) finds that Hirshi Ali must return to parliament. He said that to his party .

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NRC Handelsblad- Rotterdam 2 December

Twee Islamitische families eisen in een kort geding een verbod tegen het uit brengen van een vervolg op de film Submission, van de vermoorde cineast Theo van Gogh en het sinds de moord ondergedoken Tweede-Kamerlid Ayaan Hirsi Ali.


Volgens de advocaat van de families, R. Moszkowicz, vrezen zijn cliënten, uit Utrecht en Nieuwegein, dat het vervolg zich ,,andermaal onnodig grievend en krekend en vooral godslasterlijk" uitlaat over de islam. Maandag maakte Hirsi Ali in deze krant bekend te werken aan het tweede deel van Submission. Deel één ging over de mishandeling van vrouwen binnen de islam.

De families eisen ook dat Hirsi Ali zich in de toekomst onthoudt van islamonvriendelijke uitlatingen. Met het kort geding hoopt Moszkowicz dat het Tweede-Kamerlid ,,de mond gesnoerd krijgt". De families willen, zo zegt de advocaat, langs ,,vreedzame weg" het beledigen van hun godsdienst tegengaan.

Oud-hoogleraar mediarecht G. Schuijt, specialist in onrechtmatige publicaties, noemt het geding ,,zo kansloos dat Moszkowicz het zijn cliënten niet aan mag doen". De grondwet kent een censuurverbod. Je kan dus pas een publicatie verbieden als de inhoud ervan bekend is, zegt Schuijt.

Het Tweede-Kamerlid Oplaat (VVD) vindt dat Hirsi Ali zich weer moet melden in het parlement. Dat heeft hij in zijn fractie gezegd.

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Controversy in Denmark over Van Gogh film

A big controversy has erupted after the film Submission made by the murdered film maker Theo van Gogh. A group of Danish Muslims has submitted a complaint to the police against the public broadcasting network DR -Danish Radio which showed the film about the abuse of women in Islam.

The plaintiffs feel themselves to be "deeply insulted", according to the complaint which was served against the broadcasting station Danish Radio. The station recently broadcast the film in it's entirety. They also repeatedly showed parts of it in their news broadcasts.

DR has according to the plaintiffs "gone too far". The station ignores the fact that the film is seen as " an extreme and manipulative insult to their religion:" According to the lawyer her plaintiffs include Muslim spiritual leaders and individuals believers.

Danish Radio has refused to acknowledge the criticism.The showing of the film stills has nothing to do with sensationalism or calculated insult, according to the broadcasting company. The station showed the clips "to put the debate between limited and unlimited freedom of speach in perspective." according to a declaration.

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Opschudding in Denemarken over Van Gogh-film

http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/16195711/Rel_in_Denemarken_over_Van_Gogh-film.html

KOPENHAGEN - In Denemarken is opschudding ontstaan over de vertoning van de film Submission van de vermoorde cineast Theo van Gogh. Een groep Deense moslims heeft bij de politie aangifte gedaan tegen een televisiezender die de controversiële film over vrouwenmishandeling heeft vertoond.

De klagers voelen zich "diep beledigd", aldus de advocaat van de circa twintig moslims die klachten hebben ingediend tegen de publieke Deense zender Danmarks Radio (DR). De omroep heeft Submission onlangs in zijn geheel uitgezonden. Ook vertoonde het in nieuwsuitzendingen herhaaldelijk delen van de film.

DR is volgens de klagers "te ver gegaan". De zender negeert volgens de advocaat dat de film wordt gezien "als een buitengewoon ernstig en manipulatieve belediging van hun religie". Volgens de strafpleiter zijn onder haar cliënten zowel moslimgeestelijken als gewone gelovigen.

DR wil in een reactie niets weten van de kritiek. Het uitzenden van de filmbeelden heeft volgens de omroep niets te maken met sensatiezucht of bewuste belediging. De zender liet de clips zien "om het debat over gelimiteerde of ongelimiteerde vrijheid van meningsuiting in perspectief te zetten", aldus een verklaring.