This item is available on the Militant Islam Monitor website, at http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/7608

Muslim Brotherhood Operatives, Terror Enablers And Journalists To Be At WISE Up Summit: 'Knowledge Ends Extremism'

Daisy Khan Organizes Propaganda/Da'wa Push In DC With MPAC, ISPU And A Bevy Of Non Muslim Useful Idiots
October 23, 2017

OCT26

WISE Up Summit

Public · Hosted by Women's Islamic Initiative in Spirituality and Equality and WISE Up Report

MIM: Daisy Khan aka Mrs Feisal Abdul Rauf, the radical Imam behind the 'Ground Zero Mosque' aka Park 51, is behind this travesty.

Excerpt from her bio on the WISE website.

About

"...Daisy Khan is Executive Director of the American Society for Muslim Advancement (ASMA), a New York based non-profit organization dedicated to strengthening an expression of Islam based on cultural and religious harmony, as well as building bridges between Muslims and the general public. At ASMA, Daisy Khan has created a number of groundbreaking intra- and inter-faith programs. She has led numerous interfaith events, such as the theater production, Same Difference, and the Cordoba Bread Fest Banquet. She continues to mentor American Muslims on assimilation issues, balancing faith and modernity, the challenges of living as a minority, and intergenerational questions. To strengthen the voices of women and youth within the global Muslim community, she created two cutting-edge programs of international scope: Muslim Leaders of Tomorrow (MLT) and the Women's Islamic Initiative in Spirituality and Equality (WISE).." http://www.wisemuslimwomen.org/muslimwomen/bio/daisy_khan/

"...The Women's Islamic Initiative in Spirituality and Equality (WISE) was established in 2006 as a faith-based global program, social network and grassroots social justice movement. In 2015, WISE became an independent organization and currently operates as a partner project under the Fund for the City of New York (FCNY), a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization. WISE's application for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt status is pending and expected to be approved by the end of 2016. WISE's EIN is 81-0869779..." http://www.wisemuslimwomen.org/about/

For more on Daisy Khan see:

ASMA: American Society for the Advancement of Muslims- faux moderates promoting Islamisation by "Muslim Leaders of Tommorrow" http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/2860

For more on her husband Feisal Abdul Rauf see: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2462

MIM: One of the many Useful Idiots in attendence will be the head of the Muslim Jewish Advisory Council, Robert Silverman:

Robert Silverman Robert Silverman @ silverrj99 New York, NY

Honored to join panel talk 10/26 in DC for book by @WISE@DaisyKhan: Understanding Islam and Muslims in America.bit.ly/2zKFIBR

View details ·

MIM: The day after the summit Silverman tweeted this:

@DaisyKhan has awesome convening power FBI, veterans, Life After Hate, interfaith leaders at #WISEUpSummit pic.twitter.com/71lbSkNtaX


Robert Silverman retweeted

WISE Muslim Women WISE Muslim Women @WISE_Leaders Oct 26

"It is the obligation of all of us to stand up to support our fellow citizens who are Muslim"Bob dir. Muslim-Jewish relations @AJCGlobal

MIM: Daisy Khan is a member of the Muslim Jewish Advisory Council (MJAC) headed by Robert Silverman and funded by The American Jewish Committee. There is a big possibility that MJAC and the AJC helped fund this event.

For more on Robert Silverman see:

"Stop Donating To The Terror Tied AJC & Muslim Jewish Advisory Council - Which Aids And Abets Stealth Jihadists" http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/7481

"Jews For Jihad Revisited: Robert Silverman And The American Jewish Committee's Partnership With Radical Islamists" http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/7454
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

MIM: Below are the event details.

Details

It is time to wrestle away the negative headlines by amplifying voices of reason. Let's WISE Up and counter all forms of extremism, including hate.

Please join us at a historic gathering of hundreds of religious and community leaders, scholars, academics, policymakers, lawmakers, and business leaders to launch WISE Up: Knowledge Ends Extremism at a full day Summit in Washington, DC on Thursday, October 26, 2017, at the Carnegie Institution for Science, 1530 P Street North West, Washington, DC 20005.
Registration starts at 9:00 AM, with the Summit beginning promptly at 10:00 AM and ending at 5:00 PM.

October 26th will be your WISE Up day as you learn about this multi-faceted campaign aimed at preventing the spread of extremist ideology and hate crimes in America. You will see how knowledge is the most powerful tool against all forms of extremism. This day-long Summit is aimed at uniting Americans of goodwill to strengthen our national unity.

1. The day will begin with a Press conference with brief remarks by two Congresswomen, one Republican and one Democrat. It will highlight WISE Up as an unprecedented collaborative community effort between scholars, community leaders, activists, and veterans with diverse ideologies and national origins who have developed a holistic solution to Islamophobia and extremism.

2. The day sessions will center around the 400-page research and evidence-based book of knowledge, WISE Up, authored by over 60 noted Muslim scholars, faith leaders, public servants, and veterans who contributed their expertise to develop practical ways to combat hate crimes, Islamophobia, and terrorism.

3. We will present WISE Up Policy Briefs aimed at Policymakers, Media, Muslim, and interfaith communities.

4. You will hear directly from the Voices of American Muslims – their engagement in public life, the challenges they confront as American citizens, and creative ways that they deal with these obstacles.

5. You will be surprised and inspired by 33 notable American Muslims who enrich America every day.

6. You will finally see the missing piece of the puzzle: a clear comparison between Islamic Theology vs. Extremist Ideology and ways in which Muslims debunk distortions of Islamic terms by ISIS.

7. You will understand the push and pull factors that motivate men and women to join extremist groups and you will learn ways to prevent extremist recruitment online.

8.You will hear specialists explain how to strengthen families, how to rehabilitate prison inmates, how to do bystander intervention, and how to counter hate speech.

9. You will be inspired to hear about the 40 Muslim heroes profiled in WISE Up and dozens of Muslim and interfaith initiatives promoting interfaith cooperation.

10. You will learn how to leverage WISE Up as an engagement tool to reach out to Mayors across America and the general public through a national tour of WISE Up Town Hall Dialogues.

11. You will access special toolkits which will enhance your skills to become effective advocates for educational outreach in your communities and with your Muslim neighbors.

Hear from many WISE Up Contributors:

Reza Aslan Ph.D., Eboo Patel Ph.D., Congressman Keith Ellison, Imam Mohamed Magid, Dr. Ibrahim Negm, Arsalan Iftikhar, Imam Abdul Malik Mujahid, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, Dr. Jonathan AC Brown, Dr. Mehnaz Afridi, Salam Al-Marayati, Imam Talib M. Shareef, Syed-Mohsin Naquvi, Ameena Jandali, Arsalan Suleman, Camille Adams Helminski, Cherrefe Kadri, US Major General Doug Stone (Ret.), Dr. John Andrew Morrow, Dr. Saeed Albezreh, Engy Abdelkader, Emily May, Haris Hromic, Henry Millstein, Houda Abadi, Ph.D., Ibrahim H. Malabari, Imam Jamal Rahman, Imam Mohamad Bashar Arafat Ph.D, Imam Souleimane Konatι, Imam Tahir Kukaj, Inas Younis, John W. Kiser, Kabir Helminski, Kamran Pasha, Laleh Bakhtiar, Ph.D., Maulana Wahiduddin Khan, Mike Ghouse, Dr. Mohamed Bin Ali, Moustafa Bayoumi, Mubin Shaikh, Nabil Shaikh, Naveed Hada, Nicola Benyahia, Christianne Boudreau, Peter Romaniuk, Ph.D., Dr. Fathali Moghaddam, Qasim Rashid, Rabia Terri Harris, Shaikh Rami Nsour, Rohan Gunaratna, Saeed Ahmed Khan, Dr. Safi Kaskas, Sami H. Elmansoury, Sara Mahmood, Soraya Deen, Sultan Abdulhameed, Ph.D., Sumbul Ali-Karamali, Talat Hamdani, Dr. Wayel Azmeh, Zainab Alam

Contributor Organizations:

Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC), Islamic Networks Group (ING), Institute for Social Policy and Understanding (ISPU), Center for the Prevention of Radicalization Leading to Violence (CPRLV), Religious Rehabilitation Group (RRG), The Soufan Center, Spiritual Perception


Moderators
Sally Quinn - The Washington Post
Mehdi Hasan - Al Jazeera English
Wajahat Ali - Writer, Lawyer, & Journalist

Invited Guests:
Peter Reinhardt - CNN Contributor
Peter Bergen - New America Foundation and CNN
Malcolm Nance - Author and Expert

Celebrities

Dave Chappelle - Comedian
Ali Velshi - MSNBC
Ryan Harris - Former NFL player and Super Bowl winner

VIP Luncheon

A luncheon discussion among business leaders - speaker TBD.

Signed Books

At the Summit, signed copies of the WISE Up Report will be available for purchase.

Nearby Hotels:

Holiday Inn, Washington, DC Central/White House at 1501 Rhode Island Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005
inndc.com or (202) 483-2000

Kimpton Topaz Hotel at 1733 N St NW, Washington, DC 20036
topazhotel.com or (202) 393-3000

The host reserves the right to refuse admission to the event.

#WISEUpReport #WISEUpSummit

----------------------------------------------------------------------

MIM: Description and schedule of events at the WISE Up: Knowledge Ends Extremism da'wa summit

DESCRIPTION

It is time to wrestle away the negative headlines by amplifying voices of reason. Let's WISE Up and counter all forms of extremism, including hate.

Please Join us at a historic gathering of hundreds of religious and community leaders, scholars, academics, policymakers, lawmakers to launch WISE Up:Knowledge Ends Extremism at a full daySummit in Washington, DC on Thursday, October 26, 2017, at the Carnegie Institution for Science, 1530 P Street North West, Washington, DC 20005. Registration starts at 9:00 AM, with the Summit beginning promptly at 9.30 AM and ending at 5:00 PM.

October 26th will be your WISE Up day as you learn about this multi-faceted campaign aimed at preventing the spread of extremist ideology and hate crimes in America. You will see how knowledge is the most powerful tool against all forms of extremism. This day-long Summit is aimed at uniting Americans of goodwill to strengthen our national unity.

Summit Schedule:

9:00 - 9:30am: Registration

9:30 - 10:00am: Press Conference

PART 1: Voices of American Muslims

10:15 - 11:15am: Panel 1 - "History of Islam in America" and "Challenges Faced by American Muslims"

11:15 - 11:45am: Panel 2 - "Crafting an American Muslim Identity"

11:45 - 12:00pm: "Spotlight on Notable American Muslims"

12:15 - 1:30pm: VIP Lunch and Buffet Lunch

PART 2: Emergence of Extremist Ideology

1:30 - 2:30pm: Panel 1 - "The Social and Political Landscape of Extremism" and "Islamic Theology vs. Extremist Ideology"

2:30 - 3:00pm: Panel 2 - "Why Women Join ISIS" and "How Women Lead Peacebuilding"

PART 3: Preventing Extremist Recruitment

3:15 - 4:15pm: Panel 1 - "Understanding Extremist Recruitment and Early Intervention"

4:15 - 4:45pm: Panel 2 - "Highlighting 40 True Heroes and Heroines, Past and Present"

4:45 - 5:00pm: "WISE Heroes: Muslim and Interfaith Initiatives


The Summit will be livestreamed at www.wiseupreport.org/summit


For questions, please contact lisa@wisemuslimwomen.org or (212) 870-2551


Host Committee: Russell Simmons, Hip Hop Moghul & Chair of FFEU, Rabbi Marc Schneier Foundation for Ethnic Understanding (FFEU) Ambassador Swanee Hunt, Inclusive Security, Imam Mohamed Magid, ADAMS Center, Rev. Mark Farr, Sustained Dialogue Institute, Dr. Sayyid M. Syeed, Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), James Patton, International Center for Religion & Diplomacy, Imam Talib M. Shareef, Masjid Muhammad, The Nation's Mosque, Rabbi Gerry Serotta, InterFaith Conference of Metropolitan Washington, Jim Wallis, Sojourners, Robert J. Silverman, Muslim Jewish Advisory Council & AJC, Steve Miska, First Amendment Voice, Global Peace Foundation, Scott Cooper, Human Rights First, Veterans for American Ideals, Ryan John Koch, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, Rev. Chloe Breyer, Interfaith Center for New York, Rabbi Burt Visotzky, Jewish Theological Seminary, John W. Kiser, Abdelkader Education Project, Majid Alsayegh, Dialogue Institute, Journal of Ecumenical Studies.

WISE Up Summit is a full day event. If you can afford the time, please consider staying for the day. It is an intensive on American Muslims, Islam, ideology of Extremists, beliefs of Muslims, other forms of extremism, creating resilient families, inspiring through heroes.

  1. The day will begin with a Press conference. It willhighlight WISE Up as an unprecedentedcollaborative community effort between scholars, community leaders, activists, and veterans with diverse ideologies and national origins who have developed a holistic solution to Islamophobia and extremism.
  2. The day sessions will center around the 375 page research and evidence-based report of knowledge, WISE Up, authored by over 70 noted Muslim scholars, faith leaders, public servants, and veterans who contributed their expertise to develop practical ways to combat hate crimes, Islamophobia, and terrorism.
  3. We will present an abstract of an upcoming WISE Up Policy paper aimed at Policymakers, Media, Muslim, and interfaith communities.
  4. You will hear directly from the Voices of American Muslims – their engagement in public life, the challenges they confront as American citizen, and creative ways that they deal with these obstacles.
  5. You will be surprised and inspired by 35 notable American Muslims who enrich America every day.
  6. You will finally see the missing piece of the puzzle: a clear comparison between Islamic Theology vs. Extremist Ideology and ways in which Muslims debunk distortions of Islamic terms by ISIS.
  7. You will understand the push and pull factorsthat motivate men and women to join extremist groups and you will learn ways to prevent extremist recruitment online.
  8. You will hear specialists explain how tostrengthen families, how to rehabilitate prison inmates, how to do bystander intervention, and how tocounter hate speech.
  9. You will be inspired to hear about the 40 Muslim heroes profiled in WISE Up
  10. You will dozens of heroic initiatives led by Muslim and interfaith promoting interfaith cooperation.
  11. You will hear about the special toolkits which will enhance your skills to become effective advocates for educational outreach in your communities and with your Muslim neighbors.
  12. You will find ways to get involved by leveraging WISE Up as an engagement tool in an upcoming heartland tour "WISE Up Town Hall Dialogues"which aims to reach Mayors, interfaith communities and the public.

Hear from many WISE Up Contributors:

Congressman Keith Ellison • Imam Mohamed Magid • Imam Talib M. Shareef • Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf •
Imam Abdul Malik Mujahid• Imam Mohamad Bashar Arafat • Imam Souleimane Konate • Imam Tahir Kukaj
• Imam Jamal Rahman • Imam Michael Saahir • Maulana Wahiduddin Khan • Shaikh Rami Nsour • Shaikh
Kabir Helminski • Dr. Ibrahim Negm • Dr. Fathali Mogghadam • Dr. Eboo Patel • Dr. Reza Aslan • Dr. John
Andrew Morrow • Dr. Safi Kaskas • Dr. Laleh Bakhti ar • Dr. Jonathan AC Brown • Dr. Houda Abadi • Dr.
Rohan Gunaratna • Dr. Mohamed Bin Ali • Dr. Mehnaz Afridi • Dr. Sultan Abdulhameed • Dr. Wayel Azmeh
• Dr. Saeed Albezreh • Dr. Nazir Khan • Dr. Peter Romaniuk • Syed-Mohsin Naquvi • Ibrahim H. Malabari
• Arsalan Iftikhar • Salam Al-Marayati • Arsalan Suleman • Engy Abdelkader • Moustafa Bayoumi • Qasim
Rashid • Camille Helminski • Sumbul Ali-Karamali • Rabia Terri Harris • Cherrefe Kadri • Saeed A. Khan •
Inas Younis • Haris Hromic • Nabil Shaikh • Naveed Hada • Kamran Pasha • Sami H. Elmansoury • Ameena
Jandali • Henry Millstein • Hassanah El-Yacoubi • Sara Mahmood • Mike Ghouse • Talat Hamdani • Zainab
Alam • Fitrah Muhammad • Mubin Shaikh • Soraya Deen • Nicola Benyahia • Christianne Boudreau • Scott
Cooper • Emily May • John W. Kiser • U.S. Major Gen. Douglas Stone (Ret.) • Center for the Prevention of
Radicalization Leading to Violence • The Soufan Group • Religious Rehabilitation Group • Spiritual Perception

With Many Guest Speakers:

Prominent Interfaith leaders, Gov't officials from DOJ, DHS, and State Dept. (will be announced at the Summit)

Moderators

Jerome Socolovsky- Religion News Service

Mehdi Hasan - Al Jazeera English

Sally Quinn - The Washington Post

Wajahat Ali - Writer, Lawyer, & Journalist

Contributor Organizations:

Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC), Islamic Networks Group (ING), Institute for Social Policy and Understanding (ISPU), Center for the Prevention of Radicalization Leading to Violence (CPRLV), Religious Rehabilitation Group (RRG), The Soufan Center, Spiritual Perception

VIP Luncheon

Remarks by Govt. Officials, Names to be announced at the Summit

Signed Books

Signed copies of the WISE Up Report will be available for purchase.

Nearby Hotels:

Holiday Inn, Washington, DC Central/White House at1501 Rhode Island Ave NW, Washington, DC 20005

inndc.com or (202) 483-2000


Kimpton Topaz Hotel at 1733 N St NW, Washington, DC 20036

topazhotel.com or (202) 393-3000


Nearby Parking:

Lot 372 at 1616 P St NW, Washington, DC 20036

(202) 797-6594


The host reserves the right to refuse admissions to the event.

-Host Committee

https://www.eventbrite.com/e/wise-up-summit-knowledge-ends-extremism-tickets-37791592671

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

MIM: Daisy Khan explains how she and her husband, radical Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, founded ASMA and how WISE came to be in 2015.

Daisy Khan
July 28, 2015 ·

Dear Friends,

As you know, eighteen years ago I co-founded the American Society for Muslim Advancement (ASMA), with Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf to elevate the discourse on Islam and foster environments in which Muslims thrive. ASMA strove to strengthen an expression of Islam - one based on cultural and religious harmony and an appreciation for diversity. In this right, ASMA flourished as a unique bastion for American Muslims to explore their dual identity as Americans and Muslims.

Post-9/11, we were overwhelmingly confronted with two challenges: the widespread marginalization of Muslim women around the globe and alienation of Muslim youth, both left without a unifying voice.

Collectively, we realized that we need a vision, one that would reverse the trend of alienation and foster positive action to give voice to the struggles of pioneering leaders. In 2004, we founded the Muslim Leaders of Tomorrow (MLT), and in 2005 the Women's Islamic Initiative in Spirituality and Equality (WISE), each of which embodied my belief in the power of women to transform the world, and the next generation's commitment to carry our values forward. From humble beginnings, this network now includes thousands of civil society and thought leaders from around the globe.

Recent developments surrounding the rise of violent extremism groups have once again thrust Muslim women and youth into the spotlight. Recognizing a natural synergy between these key groups, and an opportunity to harness their collective energy by working collaboratively, I have redirected my efforts by forming WISE as a new independent organization where I will serve as Executive Director. I have stepped down as Executive Director of ASMA which will now be headed by Imam Feisal and you will be hearing directly from him about its direction, vision and reorganization.

In making this transition, WISE partnered with the highly reputable New York based nonprofit Fund for the City of New York (FCNY), which will provide organizational and fiscal support, allowing us to rapidly operationalize our activities as we begin this exciting new chapter.

On June 2, 2015 WISE was launched as its own organization. We showcased our ongoing work in Afghanistan with our Afghan partner, Jamila Afghani, whose dedication to training imams in combatting violence against women and violent extremism has been extraordinary. One imam who participated in the Imam Training Program said, "The scriptural evidence for non-violence provided to us enabled me to convince 80 Taliban to lay down their arms."

Our success with the Imam Training Program in Afghanistan inspired us to take our own stand against violent extremism from here in the United States. WISE, along with 20 expert contributors and Muslim Community leaders, is launching a grassroots community-based program to combat the potential growth of violent extremism within our own communities. By creating a Community Guide (set to be released this September 2015), Muslims at every level will learn grassroots techniques for combating violent extremism and promoting Islam's message of peace and inclusion.

As part of this project, and in partnership with our network of Muslim peer groups, we will be conducting a survey to gather important and original data to gauge the aggregate views of Muslims in America, which will then be inputted into the Guide. We will be sending out the survey soon, so stay tuned.

WISE, along with its dedicated Advisory Board, looks forward to your support as we work together to create a new age of inclusion, acceptance, and respect for all. We invite you to join us in this new endeavor by staying connected with us on social media:

www.wisemuslimwomen.org
www.twitter.com/WISEMuslimWomen
www.facebook.com/WISEMuslimWomen

Warm regards,
Daisy Khan

P.S. You can follow me on Twitter:

www.twitter.com/daisykhan

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

MIM: Link to PDF of the WISEUp report by Daisy Khan and 70 other Islamists and terror enablers.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0AB89Jl0ilMdHUtWlBNR1lhWDg/view
The book can be bought for 49.95 via the WISE website.
Click on the 'Buy Now' link in the upper right hand corner. There is also a 2 hour video of the event on this webpage.
http://www.wiseupreport.org/summit/


MIM:Below some examples of the taqiyya and whitewashing of the connections of Islam to terrorism contained in the WISEUp Report.

An even more obscene travesty is the list of the '700 plus' Muslims with ties to terrorists and terrorism who are touted as 'condemning terrorism!'. The list includes documented terrorist supporters and Islamo supremacists such as CAIR's Nihad Awad, Siraj Wahhaj, Zaid Shakir, Mazen Mokhtar and Mustafa Ceric. Information on all these and other Islamists on the list who actively promote Islamo facism and "Muslim extremism" can be found by Googling their names on MIM.

http://www.wiseupreport.org/700-scholars

------------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.wiseupreport.org/

ISLAM 101

What is Islam?

HOW ISIS DISTORTS ISLAM

Foundations of Daesh Ideology

7 Common Misconceptions About American Muslims

Why Do People Join Daesh?

8 Islamic Concepts Daesh Distorts

FAQs About Islam

---------------------------------------------------------

Update 11/21/17

In case you missed it...
Click below to see videos of all sessions from the Summit


"It was a hopeful and inspiring day with American Muslim as the voices of spirituality, peace and interfaith activism, religious leaders and scholars, social justice advocates, journalists from all races and faiths united to speak on the topic of hate, extremism, how knowledge ends extremism as well as the social and political forces that conspire to hijack faiths and/or races at various times in history. It was most reassuring to hear how this has been a part of American history since its founding, and how the "politicization" of the faith of Islam is just another tragic marker on a trajectory deeply embedded in our culture. The panels were illuminating and reassuring at the same time, as they went deep to see the forces working towards hate, while spotlighting what is possible to create peace, love and understanding in the world today." Mino Akhtar, Blogger

"I had the pleasure of providing a veteran's perspective on a comprehensive effort to speak out against Islamophobia and push back against twisted versions of Islam like those propagated by the Islamic State and other terrorist organizations. While on an opening panel of scholars and practitioners, an audience member asked a typical inquiry, one heard countless times since 9/11, "Why don't moderate Muslims speak out against terrorism?" I could hear some exasperated gasps from audience members. If the WISE Up Report supported by over 70 Muslim and non-Muslim experts wasn't a clear example of "moderate Muslims speaking out," then I didn't know what was. The WISE Up Summit constituted a climax of years of effort to debunk conventional wisdom about Islam, to discredit terrorist ideology, and to begin a public campaign of education aimed to demystify Islam for average Americans. Hundreds of people registered to attend the Summit in Washington, D.C. at the Carnegie Endowment, yet the media didn't show up. This was not due to a lack of effort on the organizer's part. Daisy Khan, Executive Director of WISE, personally reached out to dozens of journalists and media organizations. She had intermediaries in the press also reach out on her behalf. It seemed there were other pressing issues to cover that day."

http://myemail.constantcontact.com/WISE-Up-Report-Has-Launched-.html?soid=1114968673440&aid=Xm_AwdV6CPE

This item is available on the Militant Islam Monitor website, at http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/7608